Nick Matau loves Israel for some reason

Lio

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the True Function episode 113. Hi, Seth. Hey, Leo. I'm so happy that we're rolling. We have great guests coming up. And it seems like this topic is finally receiving the popularity it deserves after so many years. People are interested in the topic. People have something to say about it. It's for or against, but it's in the conversation. I remember when we started talking about the function of the Jews in the system, people looked at us like, you know, cockeyed a little bit. And then, you know, some even questioned, you know, just even the purpose. Like, why are you even talking about it? It's all good enough to see here, you know, just keep going. And since then, a lot has happened. Obviously, October 7th was a watershed moment. Not for us, because I have to say that for us, the moment was when we realized that there is something deeper going on. We started this whole endeavor over a decade ago. But October 7th, I think, opened the eyes for many people. And many people found themselves thrown into the limelight, into the middle of arguments in living rooms, around dinner tables, on campus and campuses, everywhere, really. It became a hot topic. And I think it really helped. It's like when you sift for gold. What do you call that? Panning, right? Panning. So there's a lot of mud. And then you shake the pan and then the little bits of gold are left when all the mud just leaves. I kind of feel the same way. Suddenly it's very clear. Who's with you? who's against you, who gets it, who doesn't, who has something that maybe we can call sort of a point in the heart that makes him feel a certain way, desire certain things, who doesn't. It's interesting. I mean, I don't know.

Seth

I'm intrigued to hear you say that because it seems to me now, it's always like this, we we reach a crossroad and then we split but inevitably then you reach the next crossroad and there's another split so up until now for example in the us it was you know the biden trump thing okay so the tr it went the way of trump and now you have within the right wing movement another fork in the road there's like the woke right now it's like who's anti-israel it seems that no matter uh how doesn't matter how far we go down this road there's always another fork in the road in any group there's always a break and and that jew question always comes up first it was the right or the left and okay now it's in the right and then within the right it's between the right who's against israel and the right that's for israel um it's i'm surprised to hear you say that we kind of know who's with us and who's not because it seems like we're gonna this thing always just keeps circling back and circling back and landing like you know, bullseye on the Jew again, no matter which crossroad we end up at.

Lio

Well, I think it's a journey. I don't think it's going to end with this because as we say here on the Jew function, there is a function for this group called Jews. And they're not just, you know, it's not just if you're born a Jew. It's if you have this feeling, this desire toward unity. Jew, Yehudi, from the word Yehud, unity, we say it many times on this show, that's the root of this people. It's a people founded around an ideology, and then they split many forks in the road, as you say, together and split together and split. And in that process of mixing also with the nations of the world and really, you know, Jews are made of representatives of all the nations of the world. We're not unique in our genetics. It's actually unique in our desire to find what's beyond, to endure some friction, some discomfort, uncover it with love, with care for the other above the differences. This is what's unique about Jews. That's the only thing that's been above everything else. And that really is at the heart of what we need to do here. And so I think once we understand what's going on, then we can switch the podcast into, okay, how do you actually, okay, let's do it. Who's bringing people together? Who's uniting people? Who's working to rise above their natural inclination to run away, to push the other, to be above the other? Who's actually making these efforts? What kind of help is needed? Where are there groups that support each other? This is like work for many years ahead of us. So this is just, I feel like, the first rung on this ladder.

Seth

It's like first you need to invent the computer, then you can get to the internet and AI and robotics. Exactly, and then we can fly to the moon. you know yeah we first need to be super clear that um you know zeus isn't making you know this one's not making it rain and this one's not making it storm and all these forces are happening for whatever reason that that nobody understands we need to now ground ourselves very clearly what are the laws operating on the system it's still a lot of confusion hopefully we're going to get more and more clear on what is the system what are the laws operating it who are these different people inside the system. And then once we're working on the same playing field, now we can really fly.

Lio

Exactly. And I think just before we enter the guest, we have a great guest today, a fascinating human being, which you'll hear about in a second. I think he's, again, another, I don't want to say proof, but he's a great example of how what we're talking about really has nothing to do with your legal status, with your genetics. It has to do with something deeper in your heart. What we call a desire. You can call it whatever you want, but it's a desire. It's an inclination. It's something that drives you in a certain direction. And we can see that that's what unites people. That's what made this person suddenly, after October 7th, decided to put on a shirt with the map of Israel and where it started David and have the hostage names on his walls. And he's really a very unlikely candidate. He was, I think, a U.S. Navy veteran for 12 years. He was there as a nuclear engineer. he really just started to express his support for Israel after you know, after I think 2021. So even before October 7th, he was already active. And it's all he says from what I read has to do with how he was raised by his Samoan adopted father who taught him that Jews are important for some reason. So we want to hear about that and all of his special life journey. So I want to give a warm welcome to Nick Mattel, please.

NIck

Hey. Hey, how's it going, you two? Thank you so much. Thank you for the warm introduction. And yeah, I was going to say, I was talking about this since about 2021, before October 7th. And yep, you nailed it, U.S. Navy veteran. Thank you for the internet. No Star of David, because I'm not Jewish, but I do have the map of Israel on my neck. Also good. Yeah.

Lio

Thank you. So I think we all want to know what's a little bit of your backstory here, because it's not usual that we get supporters, let alone people who are not officially from the tribe. So what's the story? Give us a little background on your roots, because it may serve to help to explain what's going on here to everyone.

NIck

Right, right. So, yes, thank you again. I mean, you kind of nailed it. I was raised since I was one by a man from Western Samoa, came here to America for school, high school, and loved America. stayed here, got his citizenship, proud American. You know, he met my mom when I was the age of, you know, one in Los Angeles, started raising me and raised me with the very, I mean, anyone who knows the Samoan culture, very strict, direct set of values. Family is very, very important. And, you know, I actually see a lot of similarities between that specific part of the Samoan culture and Jewish people as well who are very much community-based and they take care of their families. It's very, very important. And then also beyond that, the community as a whole. My dad, when I was a kid, I remember he would, you know, Israel would be in the news like it always is. But I was just a child and my dad would be like, hey, that's Israel's son, very tiny nation in the Middle East. We need to, you know, support her, great friends of the United States. And yeah, I'm not going to lie to you. I just heard that. I was like, okay, sure, whatever. I was just a kid. I honestly couldn't have probably even told you really what a Jew was other than maybe I'd be like, yeah, those are the people from the Bible, right? It's, yeah, I would just kind of like, oh, those are the people from the Bible. That's all I would think. And I just kind of move on. And as I got older, I would start to, how do I say, I would start to hear like anti-Semitic jokes, jokes, if you will. But it wasn't super common because I didn't really grow up around a lot of Jews, at least that I know of. And as I got older, Israel would be in the news again. And I would just kind of always remember the values and morality and the teachings of my father, but still not really talking about it much. Now to fast forward to 2021, to get to the like the crux of it all, I was making videos about US politics, contemporary news, stuff like that. I gained a lot of followers, wasn't talking about Israel or Jews at all. 80,000 followers. And I was gaining really, really fast, especially the month before. And then all of a sudden, May of 2021 happens and Hamas launches those 5000 rockets into Israel. And what actually got me to make my first video defending Israel wasn't even particularly that. It was that everyone started posting on their bio, Free Palestine, Free Palestine. And I remember even people would remove, at the time, Black Lives Matter was in everyone's bio BLM. People would like remove that from their bio and just put Free Palestine. It wasn't even like they added it. So I made a video kind of calling out that hypocrisy and virtue signaling. Hardly even really necessarily defense of Israel, although I did say I stand with Israel. right to defend herself something that we all kind of say oh Israel has a right to defend herself which I uh I'll get into why I don't particularly choose that term anymore or phrasing uh but first I make a video and I go to bed because I made it at night and I wake up the next day that video goes like semi-viral especially for 2021 TikTok and about 70 percent of it was hate and the hate About 90% of that, of that 70%, was anti-Semitism because they thought, I guess, I was Jewish. Not what they thought I was. And so a lot of comments about my nose, a lot of comments about Hitler, a lot of comments about how they hope I get gas to death, all that stuff. And then kind of was like taken aback a little bit because, again, as I told you earlier in my story that I knew antisemitism existed. I heard people would make little jokes here and there, little snide remarks. I had no idea, not even a little bit, that it was that bad. I did not realize there were that many people, whether it be online or whatever, that were that antisemitic. And naturally, because of the type of personality that I am, that pushed me to make more videos. It didn't push me away. And so I started to become increasingly curious about this tiny state of Israel. I knew more than the average American at this point, for sure, especially because I was already at that point serving. I was at nine years serving in the military at that point. But still, I didn't know nearly as much as I know now. Now I know a lot. But I started reading the very first book I read was Arab-Israeli Wars by Chaim Herzog. I started reading anti-Zionist books, which I think kind of made me a little bit unique. A lot of people like to stick to their own, you know, what helps them feel better reading. No, I read from Elon Popeye to Benny Morris, Ephraim Kars to Konstantin Zarek, Chaim Herzog, Alan Dershowitz, Robert Spencer, all of it, and so on and so on. And the more I read, the more I realized that my first beliefs to stand with Israel was correct. because the more, and even to this day, I'm still reading, the more I read because the history stand with Israel, the facts stand with Israel, the other side has very quick one-liners, and they feel good, and they rhyme, they're nice. But Israel has something a little bit deeper than that. But it takes a lot more effort to get to that standard.

Lio

I think that's a very fair analysis. And yet the question is, I mean, why stick for Israel? I mean, there are other cultures that need sticking up to. There's a lot of bad things happening in the world. You could be helping other cultures equally. What's with the Jews? I mean, what?

NIck

Yeah, I think so. A lot of it is, so the way I was raised, my time in the service and as an American, the reason I do is because it does just stem from, like I said, I'm not Jewish, I'm not Israeli. It's not like I grew up where, hey, my best friend's Jewish and I wanted to help him or her out. No, my morality and values is where it comes from. And my morality and values, probably because where I was raised, who I was raised by. I mean, if you get to the root of it, it does come from the Torah, right? And as I started to meet, when I first started talking about Israel, naturally, I met with meeting a lot of Jewish people. A lot of Israelis become very, very close. I met later my now fiance, who is a Jewish Israeli woman. And so when I start to get invited to this, this Seder, this Shabbat dinner and stuff like that, and I get to see the Jewish people and how they are as friends, not just what I see on, you know, a video or whatever. It's a very, very similar value system. And that's that's the root of it all. Like, why is it that you support the Jewish people? And then I can get into why maybe them more than any other cause. is because I see that the morality and the evil that necessarily Israel, and therefore the Jewish people are fighting against, at least today, is the same evil that would want me, even though I'm not Jewish, gone as well. And so I find it a little interesting when we see anti-Semitism on the left and the right, increasingly on the right, especially these past few months. The reason I bring up increasingly on the right is because we have this like whole America first, you know, people say that as a way to like hammer away at Israel. Well, I'm America first. I love America. It's greatest country in the world. I love it. I'm an American. I served this country for 12 years. That's why I stand with Israel. It's because everything that Israel is fighting against is something that we can only ignore because we have a big pond between us and our enemies. So why wouldn't I support people that are doing that for my community as well and my people? And then obviously on a non-selfish way, it's also just the, like I said, the values and the morality of things. With other people, I do talk about other conflicts a little bit. I've had an entire three-hour live last night. A lot of it was about what's happening in Sudan. Again, similar enemy, but what's happening in Sudan. And it's the Jewish people have have connected me not just as friends, but they've even made me learn more about myself. When I first started getting, you know, anti-Semitic comments because people thought I was Jewish, you know, and I had to say, well, you know, I'm not Jewish. And then I kind of had that original like waking up. I got banned from TikTok close to getting close to 100,000 followers. talked about a lot of stuff you know politics even that can get pretty shifty especially in um 2021 tick tock and no bans maybe a video removed sometimes unfairly i might add but a video removed sometimes but the second i started talking about israel and standing up for the jewish people i would get banned and i lost all of my followers and i make a new account and it wasn't you know my original 80,000 that started following me again. It was the Jewish community and the Israeli community that followed me again. And I always found it interesting. One of the anti-Semitic stereotypes is how much Jews hate Goyim, Gentiles, whatever you want to say, or how greedy Jews are, or how, whatever, I'm sure you guys know the stereotypes. Yeah, well, we are a little greedy, so it's okay. You know what? There's a difference between rightfully greedy and not, okay? This is the thing. You know, before I actually answer, it's so funny. On my live, people will come up on my live like, hey, Nick, you know, the Jews are very greedy. They love money so much. I always answer the same way. I'm like, oh, do you like money? Like, well, yeah. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Me too. I'm not Jewish. But anyways, back to what I was saying. Yeah, people will say how much the Jews just hate goys. They're greedy. They won't help you. They don't like you. Wow. How's the like the total opposite, right? it's the Jewish people from the very beginning have always had that support. And if there is something going wrong, almost to an annoying sense, Jews will rally around you and be like, what's going on? No, we're going to fix this. Even if, you know, you're trying that whole like, I'm okay. It's fine. It's fine. No, you're not. No, you're not. I'm going to help you and you're going to like it. And it's just like, it's so interesting. And you know, I've told people how much the Jewish people have helped me and how much they clearly like me and I'm not, I'm not Jewish. And then, you know, they say, ah, they're just, they're just tricking you for now. I'm like, well, it's been five years. So I guess I'll wait for that shoe to drop.

Lio

You know, I have to ask you the question because, you know, in all this process that you've been going through, has it ever occurred to you that there's something really different about this group called the Jews? Like something is a little off. They don't conform to the same statistics as the rest of the world. They're kind of like the anomaly. We're kind of like the anomaly in many, many, many areas. Like too many to say, well, coincidence. Well, coincidence. Well, when you add up all those coincidences, because that's what we did here at the Jew is also we looked at historic patterns from the first Jew, from Abraham all the way to the establishment of Israel. it's just one big bag of anomalies like it doesn't add up do you feel the same way

NIck

well of course i don't know if i would use a word like off or anomaly uh i would say two things to that one the jew is different of course and i can probably sit here for an hour and name a lot of things of why they're different but the jews whether secular or not they all have one thing that does set them aside, and that's the Torah. And I truly believe that. And I see the Torah in every Jew, even the most secular Jew. My fiance's parents, especially her dad, they don't even believe in God. And like I said, especially her dad, but both of them are the proudest. I mean, they're both Israeli, both born in Israel. My fiance was born in New York, But both the proudest Jewish people, very, very, very prideful people. They love the country. They support the country. They have their gripes with, especially her mom has their gripes with the country. Me and her mom will get into the funniest, like, I call them Israeli arguments, you know, where you're getting to the point where you're even yelling at each other. And then five seconds later, you're laughing over comments or whatever. You let a yell. This picture right here, actually, I gave it to her originally because she does not like BBD and Yahoo. And I love to mess with her by calling him Abu Yair. And I just mess with her. Me, I'm not Israelis. I don't really particularly care about Israeli politics. I just say, hey, I'm not Israeli. I'll leave that to the Israelis. But in an attempt to mess with her, I love my future mother-in-law. I got her that picture. And while she was sleeping, because she was spending a couple weeks here in the guest room, I put it on her bed style. She found it so funny. Yeah, so they're secular. And the Torah is still very much in her mother and her father just as much as, you know, the Rabbi Echabad. And that's very interesting. The second thing I'll have to say about the Jews is we do. It's interesting. You asked, are the Jews different? Well, no, actually. And on the other foot, because the Jews have been the same. What was the when you look at ancient and religious roots of anti-Semitism that goes all the way back to the earliest tensions. What was it? It was Jews were different and hated because they were seen different because they refused to adopt local gods and local customs, which at the time was paganism because, you know, Judaism is before Christianity, before Islam. Other than Zoroastrianism around the same time, you know, monotheology, one god, was not really a concept. And even that, that was a different area. So Jews were hated because they didn't believe in the multiple gods. And now Jews are hated because they don't believe in that specific god. Or Jews are hated because fill in the blank. Jews from ancient times to today have been relatively the same. Yes, there's little traditions that naturally adopt or, you know, change slightly, especially in local aspects, local regions over time. But the Jews are the Jews today. You know, it's actually interesting. My fiance and I were watching this new TV. Well, it's not a new TV show. It's five seasons in. It's called The Chosen, and it's a story of Jesus Christ. Here's the funny part. I'm not a Christian. I was baptized as a Catholic. I'm not a Christian per se anymore or at all anymore. I'm not a Muslim. I'm not Jewish. I call myself a Noahide. You know, I follow the seven laws of Noah. I'm not particularly religious. Like, it's not like I go to a place of worship per se. And I just believe in the God of Abraham. I follow the seven laws. But I know I understand I'm not a Jew. So I'm not following 613 mitzvot. And so it's the funny thing is my fiance, my Israeli Jewish fiance was the one that's like, hey, let's watch this show. And I'm like, why do you want to watch a show about Jesus. She's like, I just I really she's gotten very into theology lately. Me, I've read the Quran twice. I've read the Christian Bible, King James Version, International Version. I've read the Torah, the Tanakh. And so I've always been into it. So I was thoroughly surprised that she's like, I'm very much into it. I want to just kind of watch this to see it. First off, actually, it's a very interesting show. And I was a little worried because there's sometimes there's christian movies or shows that kind of depict jewish people as like a sort of enemy right because they focus so much on you know the the crucifixion this show it's takes place way i think they're five seasons in and i don't think they've even gotten to that yet and it actually the director has a very um very big respect for the jewish people and he created what was called i read it online a jewish advisory board for the tv show because they're like hey this is jesus was a Jew, his followers, his apostles, all of them are Jews. And I want to make sure I have that respect. And I want to make sure I get it right. So that way you don't copy. I don't know if you guys heard the Netflix show with Seth Rogen. They ended up getting I'm not Jewish. So forgive me, I forget. But there's like two Jewish holidays that sound similar, but they're totally different. And in the TV show, he's supposed to be a rabbi. And he said like the wrong one. They wanted to make sure they didn't screw that up uh so we just got done we're in season two we just got done and they were doing sukkot right they're like oh the feast of the tavernacles and they're building you know the the whole uh what's it called um sukkah sukkah yeah they're building that and um i just thought it was actually kind of amazing and uh you know because it's i really appreciate that they're kind of adding that in and they're having that respect and i think it's something that people forget Yet because Jews are such a tiny people, you know, almost 16 million people, 0.2% of the world. And talk about the Abrahamic religions. This was the start of the Abrahamic religions. And yet it is the smallest.

Lio

So again, so I'm pressing on that question because you say, no, Jews are not different. I wasn't asking if Jews were changing. I'm saying Jews being who they are, for the most part, staying the same, changing some of the outer expressions of their Judaism, but for the most part, keeping a consistent thread throughout history. We always found it interesting that Jews were always at the center of things, always drew an important amount of attention to their size. to the point that today, you know, like if a conflict doesn't involve Jews, it's not in the news. Not in the news. Sudan, millions of people are dying in Sudan. We don't care. There's no Jews there. We don't care. It's almost like it's almost crazy. Not only that, even the allegations against Jews, whatever they are, they could change, they can become conflicting, contradictory, right? The Jews, you're not white, therefore you're the enemy, and now you are white, therefore you're the enemy. As long as we can keep you front and center as the, you know, under the spotlight, on the witness stand and somehow be able to point a finger at you. That doesn't sound, you know, a little strange.

NIck

You know, it is strange. And there's multiple different answers. You know, you have to think of it theologically. Is this something that is what the Bible said would happen and it's a fulfillment of biblical prophecy? Or if you're secular, what is it? Now for me, if we're going to answer the secular side of it and just like historically trying to think of any sense of logic that we can apply to this, what is it about it? I think anti-Semitism isn't a sign that it just hates. It's not just a hate towards Jews, although of course that is what it is directly. It's a warning sign that a society is losing its moral compass and therefore an eventual collapse. And that's one of the things to go back to your first question of. I was actually on Dinesh D'Souza shows saying exactly this. The reason I also stand with Israel is because America, amazing, greatest, if you want to use the term empire in history. I don't want it to make the same mistakes of every empire before her. And it's interesting when you look at, I mean, seriously, you guys at home, look at this. When you see the fall of an empire, look at their anti-Semitism relatively right before they fall. It's very interesting how it correlates. And people can speculate what, why, what does that mean? I think it's as simple as just saying, because when you lose your moral compass, for some reason, Jews are the first target. And when you lose your moral compass, that's naturally going to lead to the fall of an empire. because morality is what, if not what does keep an empire together, it's what should keep an empire together. And it's a symptom of a loss of morality. Now, why is that a symptom? I think that because the Jewish people have a success of a people that others don't have, and when I say success, I'm not talking about business or money or whatever the case might be. I'm talking about a successive community that a lot of communities don't have. A lot of communities wish they had. And so when you have that and you mix that in with small numbers, like the Jewish people, very, very tiny, I've always been a tiny people. When you mix those two things together, it's very, very easy for an envious person of larger status, larger numbers, larger whatever. By status, I mean they're occupying your land or you're in their land. because you're in the diaspora, it's very, very easy to fall into the trap of you're the reason that my life is so bad. You are. There's nothing you can do about it because, well, you're tiny and I'm big. And what are you going to do about it? People, for some reason, they want to poke at the they want to poke at what what they're envious of. I don't know what it is about people. I mean, we do it on an individual level. We do it on a group level. I don't know if it's tribalism, the fact that human beings are so tribal, but people do it. And so it's the need for a scapegoat and the Jewish people are always the start of that. And then not long after that, hatred grows. Very, very rarely do you see in society where they have just a hatred for the Jewish people, but there's such a loving empire. It's just the Jewish people. No, no, no. It's the Jewish people, but it's also the black people, the Romani people, the pick any other minority. That's what you see in these empires. That's why when I get a lot of anti-Semitic people on my lives every night and they try to bring up something about, well, you know, that the Jews, they were kicked out of this many, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I tell them, you know, give me, first off, I want to point out that the 109 country thing is totally bullshit. It was never 109 countries. A lot of them were just areas that were owned by the same people. But nonetheless, I tell them, you know, tell me about this empire that just had the problem with Jews, but everyone got along with them. Everything was perfect sound and it was just the Jews. And of course they can't answer. Tell them, tell me the first, well, that list of countries that were, they were kicked out of. Tell me the first few that were on that list. Oh, it was ancient Israel. Oh, so you're blaming the Jews that other people went into their land and kicked them out. Okay, cool. Yeah, it's just a sign of a morally degenerate society that's about to collapse.

Seth

Nick, let's talk about the empire, the cycle of an empire. So waging a revolution is one thing, and then actually governing after the revolution is something else, right? Like winning an election is one thing, and then governing is something else. So, like you said, in each of these empires, you can see the Jews alongside the empire. And we can go back to Rome, Greece, Persia, Germany, right? Every place, the Jews are right there alongside the empire, actually supporting them. In fact, Jews were imported in many cases in order to help organize finances and all different kinds of things.

Lio

So accelerate it.

Seth

with it right and then once they were happy you know france says okay we're good you know let's kick them out and then england's like fine we'll take them and then england grows and they kick them out okay spain says we'll take them and we see that this this uh yeast or whatever is like brought in all the time in order to bring this thing up question is and to your point at a certain point it hits this peak and then the anti-semitism grows so the question is my question to you is and it happens every time like clockwork is there something else that's required of the jews that is above and beyond just normal building infrastructure of a country building economy of a country laying some moral foundations is there some something else that if that doesn't if they don't also bring that then this natural process you know the the pressure cooker blows and then the ashes are scattered and then again it has to happen. Oh, I think you're muted. I don't know. We can't hear you.

NIck

There we go. Can you hear me now? Yes. I don't know why that happened. Anyways, that's a good question. I'm sure that somebody could probably give a more optimistic answer than me but i had this uh talk with my fiancee actually just a couple weeks ago where i said i wonder if this is the plight of the jewish people and she's like what do you mean i'm like um jews are commanded to and it's in their their heart and soul to spread light amongst the nations like i truly believe that no i know that i mean it's it's very obvious i mean you look at the inventions of just jewish people alone and how many people they have saved or made lives better for the whole world throughout history it's it's it's undeniable and you think about because when you look at the the that catalyst what is the the changing point at the turning point excuse me of when people start to in an empire start to gain towards or push towards anti-semitism you have a golden age of of spain what is it that that changes people is it the change of leadership is it uh insecurity and fear you know war economic collapse or not even economic collapse economic decline

Seth

and then can i can i say can i speed it up here just because i i i'm really impressed by your your breadth and understanding of all these things um each empire when it reaches the pinnacle the zenith of what that empire is is capable of at that point it it happens and unless they're able to redefine some goal some gigantic goal some some goal like world peace some goal like unity because once you once you establish the infrastructure of the company the country okay we have the plumbing we have the economy we've got wall street we've got technology you know now what is that all that humanity is made for you know you go to rome okay we got the calceums we got democracy we got this is that all the baths the baths you know uh so so if the if the jew is this other you know they received the torah they're supposed to be a light to the nations so okay so we got the infrastructure in place you know is that all we're supposed to be doing or is there maybe something else you mean as humanity or as the jew both alongside humanity the jew initiates it and helps humanity to do that and if that doesn't happen then this reaction

NIck

called anti-semitism happens i see what you're saying i i think that the answer is yes but it's not what's happening um i think that humanity is always going to desire more but they're not desiring what they should be i think humanity should look more towards a uh spiritual uh growth and unfortunately people are looking more for physical growth or materialistic growth and so when you say like hey you build this foundation your economy is doing well You have these innovations, these inventions, etc. What more are we supposed to do? The problem is, is that human beings are always naturally going to want more. And if it's not more, they're going to want the same thing, but faster. And you look at I'm 33. So I remember, you know, late 90s, 2000s, both. I remember things happening, what I compare to today relatively slowly, every five to 10 years, there was a quote unquote, big invention or something new that came out. out and now it feels like it's like every couple months there's something big coming out and human beings have ask yourself have human beings whether we're talking about americans or just in general have they become more satisfied as we are able to pump out more technology better technology better whatever faster i would say no i think we've become depression yeah exactly we've become more depressed, we've become less satisfied. Is that because... However, the benefit of that

Seth

is that if I don't have a toaster oven, a toaster oven can make my life better. You don't know. If I do have a micro, if I don't have a microwave, or I don't have a car, or I don't have a spaceship, but once you have everything that you could possibly ever want except maybe a robot at home once you have all of the materials which is can happen fast once we have all the material stuff we could ever want then what's left if we don't have the material stuff then we can still say we need more this we need more this but once we have everything then what's left and is that thing that's left maybe the thing that these jewish people are supposed to be bringing not supposed to like you don't want to shoot on anyone but you know the the real the real uh i'll say it's

NIck

supposed to no i'll say it it's supposed to yeah for sure i mean the the uh i do believe now again i want to be comfortable with all of your audience i'm sure there's people that are listening that are religious just as much as they are secular uh but for me i'm going to give you my beliefs i do believe that that that spiritual awakening that human beings need is absolutely comes from the Jews and will come from the Jews. Because, again, I do believe in the Torah, and it says that the Jews will be the light amongst the nations. And I have no reason to deny that's already happening. And I have no reason to deny that it will continue to happen. And I think that that's the thing that human beings are missing. If you look at Europe, do you think Europe looks the same way today as it did even 20 years ago or 50 years ago? And if you think the answer is no, which that should be your answer, and if you think it's worse now than it was 20, 50 plus years ago, and that should be your answer, ask yourself, have they had more of a spiritual awakening? Or have they become more secular where bad faith actors are able to take advantage of them and take over their societies? Obviously, I'm asking the question rhetorically, that's the answer. And so, yeah, I think that that rise in secularism and that rise in materialistic needs has led to our downfall, has led to our depression, has led to our dissatisfaction on multiple levels. and the Torah. And even if you aren't, even if you're secular, even just historically, the Jews have been the fill of what is missing in society when it comes to specifically that aspect. When we're talking about, if you want to call it spirituality, you can call it spirituality. I'll just call it a general light. And the light does obviously shine brightest in the darkest

Lio

regions as well. So this is exactly where we, you know, this is where we wanted to end up on that point. I mean, because what we've been asking ourselves is when we started this whole Jew function adventure is, well, can we change how people feel about Jews directly? Can they just go to someone and say, hey, you gotta love the Jews. You know, you stop hating. You know, hating is bad for you. I can't do it. I can talk about it in schools and all that, but you can't. You can't change someone's feelings just because you make it, you know, you know, it's illegal to say anti-Semitic things. Great. Okay. So I'm going to hate you and, you know, at home. And then like, I have a friend of mine who's, she's Dutch and she went to, I'm sorry, an Israeli friend who studies in the Netherlands. Right. And then after October 7th, the whole thing blew up and suddenly everybody was kind of at her nasty, saying nasty things. And, and she was like, I, you know, she was talking to her friend. It was like, I thought we're like best friends and everything. And the French is like, no, we're best friends, but you have to understand that at home, we always talked this way about the Jews. It was just not popular to say outside of the home and now it's popular. It's okay. You can, you can say it's really, you know? So, so people have, have that, that sensation and, and we, you, you can't directly change it. So we were asking, okay, what can we change? What is within our control? And we started to gradually turn to ourselves. What can we change about what we're doing? You know, if Jews, if we as Jews were actually bringing light to the nations, there would be light in the nations, in the world. Right now, there's no light. So something is off. Something, you know, all the inventions, all the startups, all that great stuff, you know, probably had a purpose. But to a point, as you say, as yourself said, to a point, you know, having a ways in my car is not going to show me the way to spirituality. It's a great thing to have, but it's in and of itself, it's pointless. You know, what is it that we as humans aspire to and that we as Jews can deliver to them? That's the question. something that goes beyond these things, something that can go really beyond the level of this world almost, or maybe also beyond the level of this world, but at least something else. And we started to see that really all these complaints against the Jews, all these allegations, all these things that you call tribalism or envy or bigotry, And all those things were simply just expressions of some inner dissatisfaction with this group of people that I somehow find myself dependent on. And that's what subconsciously people are feeling. I somehow find that my well-being is connected to those people somehow. I don't know exactly in what way. I can explain it, not even to myself. I just know that if I'm feeling bad, it's somehow their fault. And therefore, the outer story of why they're bad doesn't matter. Today, it's race. It's ethnicity, it's religion, Zionism, whatever. It's just a story I need to have in order to quiet myself. So what is it? Maybe you can tell us, maybe it's an outside observer. Maybe before you even tell us that, maybe you can take a step back and say, how would you actually define a Jew? We ask this question often. We actually haven't asked it for a while. So we'll ask you, if an alien landed here and asked, What's up with this 0.2% of population that everybody's so obsessed with? Who are they? What are they? So can you define what is a Jew? Because Jews don't really know. Maybe you can... No. Okay, that's the end of our show.

Seth

That's an honest answer.

NIck

Thank you for coming. How do you define a Jew? That's interesting because everyone does give a different answer, don't they?

Lio

Many don't, but many give different answers, yes. i mean many many don't have an answer period those who do give an answer that we have very

NIck

different views so it's interesting um i would define i put me on the spot man okay uh i would define a jew as um a member of the tribe or nation of people whose uh sole goal is to bring about the morality and the spirituality of the human race that is required to reach total enlightenment, if you will. The reason I specifically use the word tribe or nation of people is because there's a lot of blood quantums that are thrown against the Jewish people that, oh, well, what percentage Jewish are you? Or is it this or is it that? And, oh, do you have European DNA and blah, blah, blah. You know, you guys have heard it. And it's just like a Jew is not somebody that is susceptible to blood quantums. Like, well, I am 34.67% Jewish. So therefore, no, this has nothing to do with it. Is if you're a part of the tribe or are you not part of the tribe? Yes, there's some aspects that go into it. And depending on who you ask, you know, hey, your mother and your mother's mother has to be Jewish. And I understand that. but it's are you part of the tribe or are you not? I don't like to use the word ethno-religion. I know that's a modern terminology that's used against, not against, but just used for the Jewish people amongst others. I find it a little silly. They're a tribe of people. It's not the best answer, but that's the best one that I could give if some kind of alien came down and asked me, what is a Jew?

Lio

You know, the funny thing when you talk about the percentage of the blood, you know that it's not the right answer because when even we look at Jewish law, if you know, if you have a law, that's called part of the 60th part of something, I don't know if you heard about it, if you read about it, but you know, if, if, if you, if you made soup and, and 60th of the soup has pork in it, you can still eat it. I haven't heard that. Yeah. It's like a 60th of something is like really nothing is, is the point is because yeah, it gets washed in because it also has practical applications. Obviously when you had a village and everybody brought something into the soup, then maybe someone had a little, you know, a leg of ham in there. Fine. It's fine. It's okay. It's not about those material things because you can also never, you know, it's very wishy-washy. It's hard. We always talk about the 10 lost tribes. Like where are they? You know, we talk about, that's why, as we said in the very, very beginning, we talk about, when we talk about Jews, we talk about an inner desire, a desire toward something, an aspiration toward something. The word Israel means yesha el, straight to the creator, where the creator being the force.

Seth

It's interesting, this was in your definition of what's a Jew, and it's rare to hear someone bring up this definition. You planted the flag basically as far into the beautiful future as possible. And that, it doesn't matter, you know, I'm willing to do whatever ups and downs I need to to get there. Usually people plant the flag, you know, five yards, 100 yards in front of them and, you know, the next battle. But when you talk about the goal of humanity, it's...

Lio

And this is really the purpose of the Jews. They're simply the spirit of humanity made of the same people in humanity originally. They're not an alien species. They're not genetically different. There are no genetic markers. You can find some markers, but only because they're made of all the other nations. So it's not about that. It's actually an ideology, a direction straight to the creator, straight to this force of love and bestowal. which is how the creator is defined in the writings. If you read beyond the literal explanation, beyond the fairy tale, so to speak, it's a force. It's a force in nature. And that's what all of the Jewish teaching is all about. The problem is, the way we've been seeing it, as we've been tracking it, is that Jews themselves have forgotten. And they need a little memory reset to realize that this is our purpose in the world. And until we fix that, until we become similar to that quality of love and bestow, we can try anything. We can sue people, shame people, ban people, do this, cut their funding, whatever it is. You won't be able to defeat everyone just by sheer numbers, 0.2%.

NIck

Well, the issue, and I'm very much against just trying to fight anti-Semitism by being like, well, we'll just block that guy or we'll just like, no, I actually am very big into fighting it directly head on in a smart way. And the reason I'm against it is because if you believe in this idea that, yes, I do believe that we're a light amongst the nations. Yes, I do believe that we should be doing this and that. If you believe that and it's not happening, as you said earlier, if we're supposed to be light amongst the nations and why is there not light amongst nations? Would you question if you're the one that is supposed to be spearheading that as a people? Would you question what you've done, your tactics in the contemporary times? Or would you question that person? You wouldn't question that person. You question you. It's the same thing if I mean, I can give a lot of examples, but that's exactly right. And so I don't believe. In fact, I'm looking into slowly but surely starting an organization that I don't want to start. I don't really have much interest in starting it, but I see that there is a gap in the pro-Israeli community. I go to all of these. I get invited a lot to a lot of these summits and pro-Israeli events. A lot of them I speak at. And every time either people are like, oh, my God, I love your work or I have no idea who you are. And the people that don't have any idea who I am, which I love those people because they let me relax a little bit when I'm at these events. They ask me, what do you do? I said, well, you know, now I am on multiple things, Instagram and stuff. I really started on TikTok and I still do TikTok lives almost every night. And I get the same reaction every time, every time. Oh, my gosh, that's super anti-Semitic, isn't it? I'm like, oh, no, yeah, it's horrible. But that's why I'm on there. And they go, hey, good for you. I can't do it. but I'm really proud that people like you are doing it. And I get it. I'm not, I'm not like upset with the person, but at the same time, I'm like, I asked them, I'm like, well, what do you want to do with Gen Z? You know, right and left. A lot of them are pulling away from Israel and therefore the Jewish people, which I find wholeheartedly connected. And before I keep going, actually, there was a friend of mine, he goes by Hebrew Hammer online. He told me what he heard from another rabbi that the Jews have their own Trinity. and it's well part of that trinity is Israel, right? Torah, Israel, Jesus, what was the third one?

Lio

I thought it was sugar, flour, and oil but it's for sure

NIck

maybe that's what it was

Lio

the Torah, Israel, and the Jewish people

NIck

yeah, I think that's what I was going to say is community or Jewish people

Lio

in Hebrew it's Israel which means Israel

NIck

the torah and the creator are one that's it yeah that's that's right yes and uh yeah so it's just interesting forgive me god for getting you out of the israel and it's like what's that third one um oh man i'm not gonna get any good sleep tonight anyway so so yeah but but the point is that israel would be part of that um so back to what i what i was saying right is that uh you have gen z what do you what do you do with them and they all say the same thing like oh um well you know they're young though they'll grow out of it or or um you know they're too far gone they're too lost and i'm like hmm okay i mean but is that a good strategy like do you do you find that are people coming

Seth

around because of your lucid your clear thinking and clear arguments or are they coming around because they emotionally get something? What makes them, when you reach someone, what is it that worked?

NIck

I could probably do better on the emotional side. When I do my debates online, I go straight to the source. I invite anyone up. And as long as they can have a conversation and not just start screaming or whatever, I'll keep them up. They can say I'm a neo-Nazi. They can say whatever. And I will have that conversation with them. You have the wrong flag for that, by the way.

Lio

Yeah.

NIck

I obviously, I have no respect for somebody like that. I will debunk them very hard. But I want to make sure that they are the vessel that is bringing out whatever anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, whatever anti-Israel, blood libel. They are the vessel that brings it out. But there are hundreds of, and over the course of the live, thousands of tens of thousands of people that end up listening. And so I want to make sure that there's somebody. Now, there's naturally people that are going to be listening that are like, I love Nick. I agree with Nick with whatever he says. And then the opposite. I hate Nick. No matter what he says, I'm going to think the opposite. But there's a percentage there, small or big, that will say, I've heard that conspiracy theory. I've heard that Jews do this or that. And then they hear Nick answered. And that person, even if it's just one, that goes, oh, okay. Actually, what Nick said was, that makes sense. So since October 7th, so about two plus years now, I have had about 20 to 30, 25 to 30 people come to me that have at least admitted to me who have said, Nick, I was extremely anti-Israel. I hated Israel. Some have even said I was anti-Semitic. I hated the Jews. And now I am very pro-Israel because I've listened to your lives or listened to your lives and blah, blah, blah. and that is nice i mean it's not when i've spoken with thousands of people 25 to 30 maybe not sound like a lot but still if i can change one person's mind that's amazing anything after that's a bonus so i think that's amazing and i would say to answer your question for me i'm not saying that my way is better maybe if i did change there could be a better but me personally i am more logic based i'm very i'm very very very very red on the subject and so i naturally have a lot of sources or information in my head that I can pull real quickly that they say, hey, Nick, genocide. And then I go, OK, well, you know, let's talk about the definition of genocide and what it is. And dole specialis, which is the special intent. And I explained that to them. I said, OK, now that we've established our terms, you tell me why you believe it's a genocide. Well, you know, they have the intent to kill Palestinians in Gaza. I'm like, OK. And then they'll say something like this happened last night. Someone's like, look at the destruction in Gaza. I'm like, yeah, a lot of explosives have been used. And they're like, how can it not be a genocide? So what is genocide? And they're like, it's the intent to, you know, kill these people, to put it lightly. And I said, okay, so can you explain to me? And we did the numbers. So Al Jazeera even says that 200,000 tons of explosives have been used in Gaza since October 7, 2023. Before we even get into bullets and ground operation, I explained to them how many bombs that would be. I said, how many people do you think conservatively would be killed by just one of these explosives? And I said, please be conservative here. And they say, let's go with 15 people. And I said, let's go with five. And then we do five times the amount of bombs. And it ends up coming out to about like two to six million people, depending on the number we used. And I'm like, how can the number be, even according to Hamas, even including all Hamas, PRC, Army of Islam, PIJ, PFLP, DFLP, Mujahideen Brigades, all these terrorist organizations that collaborate with Hamas, the amount of deaths that they have had, all collaborators of Hamas, Noah Baragamani and those three men, the hostages, when they were rescued, were being held by a doctor and a reporter. One of the hostages that came out recently said he was being held by a first grade teacher. And I said, those are legitimate targets of war. So I said, how can the number be, even according to Hamas, 68,000? And your number that was extremely conservative before even coming up with the bullets or ground operations is the whole population of Gaza. And they go, well, maybe they, well, not every bomb is going to be aimed at a civilian. I said, but in a genocide, it wouldn't be.

Lio

Maybe they're not very good at It.

NIck

Well, that'S what I said. And well, they answer me and they're like, well, Nick, that's, no, you're right. And they go, but, but, but maybe, maybe not every bomb. They're not trying to kill civilians. I said, but in a genocide, it would be. And I said, not even every, I told you to use a conservative number for a reason, because we're looking at the average here. And finally they go, this was the end of the life, pretty much. They go, you know what? I think you're right. He's like, that's actually a really good point. He said, a talking point I used against Israel since October 7th actually ends up kind of debunking. Now, he still was saying, I have some problems and he's going to come back on my live, he said, and we're going to talk about those problems. But he's like, yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it wasn't a genocide. And so those are the small things I do because it's very, very, very difficult to argue, Especially, I love using their own talking points back at them. Like, oh, that's a talking point. But actually, it actually disproves this. And it's very hard for them to argue against that. And so that's generally what I do to answer your question. It's more logic. But I'm not going to say that emotion doesn't play a role.

Lio

So, yeah, I mean, we will say with certainty that even logical people, you know, it feels good to have that puzzle piece fit into place. So it is a feeling. We are feeling creatures first and foremost. Everything comes after. But some people, they use that feeling in a more intellectual way, in a more emotional way. That's okay. The question, I guess, for us is how do you think we can – because debunking the idiots and talking to them, that's a lot of fun. And we know we've had quite a few guests who are doing amazing work out there. Rudy Rockman, you probably know him. He's out there. He's a friend. I just had lunch with him some months ago. Amazing. So he's doing this holy work, and we had a conversation. You said you died with Samoan, so that's Polynesian culture. We had a woman who's from Maori roots.

NIck

Alatea, yeah, or New Zealand.

Lio

In the UK. She's a reverend in the UK, and she's also doing this crazy pro-Israel. This is important, but what we're trying to say is, look, if we can turn even 1% of these efforts toward the Jews themselves, to help them realize that something is off in how we conduct ourselves among ourselves, first and foremost. Because if you like logic, and if you look at all the history, you will see, if you follow the patterns, because you said, oh, I see what happens, anti-Semitism, empire falls apart. You also see that before every big pogrom, Jews are very much at their most ununited, always. It's Jewish disunity always precedes the pogrom, the expulsion, the whatever, right? The blood libels, it always comes then. It's not like Jews were exemplary citizens of brotherly love. There's always something.

NIck

Well, if Jews are the spirit of humanity, then naturally a split in the spirit, the Jews, is naturally going to lead a split in humanity.

Lio

Exactly. So how can we help shine a light on that? Unite the Jews. Because my concern, dude, look, I live in Israel, right? Seth is in New Jersey. He's relatively more protected. for now until Mamdani takes power. And then, you know, good luck to Seth. You know, he's close to the next caliphate. Sorry, Seth. But, you know, in Israel, I saw what happened on October 6th. I saw the state of the union or lack thereof.

NIck

I was there. That was my first trip to Israel. I left three days, four days before October 7th.

Lio

So maybe it was your fault. The point is that it was so palpable that crazy decision, that almost civil war. And we were spared civil war by these attacks. As is usually the case, at some point it gets to a head and the system has to release the tension and kind of reset everything. A lot of Jews die, but then you can start over. The Jews will never disappear because the system needs them. That's according to network science proves that. You need the hubs in order to help the system thrive and grow. But we have to do the work. You know, how many times are we going to be that, you know, the cannery in the coal mine? Everybody forgets that the cannery dies. That's how you know the coal mine. You know, we don't want to be the cannery in the coal mine. We want to be the oxygen, the life in the coal mine. We want to be, right? How can we...

NIck

I want to get to, since we're getting a little nitty gritty here, I'll say something that I, I don't know if I should as a non-Jew, but I'm going to say it anyways. Say it, say it, say it. Yeah, it's just the first off the the the challenge of uniting the Jews. Wow, that's that's quite the challenge. What is it? Two Jews, three opinions. So you see Jews and the biggest fight I see with the Jews. And like you said, on October 6, 2023, was the you can say right versus left, secular versus religious. And that's that's a tale that's that's quite quite old. But one side blames the other and vice versa. But what if there's splits even on a local level within each side? You have on the, let's say, liberal Jew or leftist Jew or whatever. That split is they are the majority, if not the sole holder of anti-Zionist Jews, right? What I call as a Jews. And then you have, oh, so that makes the religious Jews correct, right? Well, as an outsider, and I'm totally admitting to that, and I could be wrong, Other than maybe Chabad and a couple other organizations, what I see from the religious Jews, when I turned accidentally into Williamsburg when I was in New York, and all of a sudden I saw this just like wall that changed. I felt like I was in a different world. I see a lot of religious Jews who, are they being a light amongst the nations or being a light amongst the nation, specifically just the jews i see them very very much reserved and they want to close themselves off to the world now do from a human perspective do i understand that yeah they're very much targeted because you know they're wearing literally if you will judaism on them and so people would like i'm sure have a field day targeting them and it's very disgusting that that happens and it does do you stop being a light amongst the nations because you're being targeted i don't i think i

Seth

think we'll also something that might make it easier is we don't need to to unite every jew right away let's start with with uh you know just like like america or like any or the world you know most people are in the in the category called the masses and it's also in the jews as well you Not everybody is a thinker, and most people are following whatever it is, whether it's Nike, wearing Nike sneakers or drinking Dunkin' Donuts or whatever it is. Most people are in the masses, same thing in the Jews. But to get the ones who – and that used to be a problem. Oh, well, everyone's a sheep, but you just need a good shepherd. So if we can just bring the first few circles together and start moving in the right directions, the masses, the job of the masses is not to invent the thing and solve the problem. The role of the masses is to just give the force behind it. So we just need to get that group that can to start to unite.

NIck

How do you do that?

Seth

Well, that's what we're asking you.

NIck

No, but here's the thing. Think about what you just said. You said, you know, let's start with American Jews. Notice how you split it off at American Jews.

Seth

I didn't say American Jews. I said the Jews that can. I said the Jews that can.

NIck

I thought you said early on when like just in America or just in. Well, I'll say it that a lot of people do. Right. They'll split off like American Jews or Israeli Jews and stuff. And the reason I say that is because the diaspora could be. I'm not saying it is. I'll refer to what you guys think. is the diaspora is that causing jews to have such a forced different opinion because i do see a lot of people say the american israelis will say american jews we love them they're brothers and sisters but they don't get it and some of the diaspora jews say look israel is going through their own issues but they don't understand the issues of the diaspora right and so is the diaspora causing a split amongst the jews that is not allowing them to connect mentally and spiritually

Lio

i don't know what do you guys think i'll tell you i'll make it actually even more because you started even before seth spoke you you you started by saying well let's get nitty-gritty right and you know even even within a you know you look at one side one camp there's also a split there right and that's seth favorite thing right and then you look into that you know that side of the camp and then it's split there as well i mean and you can go down to the individual because the there's a saying, the Kabbalistic saying that says, man is a small world. So if you understand that on a quantum level, everything happens inside of you, this whole reality, all of it is perceived in you, by you, you're projecting it, it's a projection of all your conflicting desires. And if you can start by, you know, reconciling that inside of you, put one thing at the top as the most important, And that is the pursuing of this quality of love and care for the other above all the differences. How do I contain all these different desires? Because they're in me. I have to love all of that stuff in me. The good, the bad, the this, the that, right? Just like your body is a representation of that. There's acid and base and tough tissue and soft tissue. It's all living together somehow in this miraculous construct. You need to be that construct. And then all we have to do is just add a few more of those seemingly external people to that construct. And boom, you start to see change. You don't need a lot. You need 10% of every given population to hold on to an opinion for it to take off. So whether it's diaspora versus Israel, it's not even important. Let's get half a million Jews here in America. I'm saying here, I'm in Israel. But let's get half a million Jews in America to do it. Let's get a few hundred thousand Jews to do here in Israel. Let's get a group to say, you know what? We don't care. Left, right, more religious, less religious.

Seth

I'll even hold my opinion and keep my opinion. But more than that, we're going to add to the love between us all.

Lio

Exactly. It's not uniformity. Unity above the differences. That's the Jewish trick. That is the startup. That's it.

NIck

I don't see, again, outsider perspective. I don't see the love lost amongst the Jewish people. In fact, better than any community, I think even through disagreements, extreme disagreements, the Jewish people do love each other. So I agree with your statement, but I don't know if that's particularly the problem, or at least not the biggest one. Go ahead.

Seth

So Leo, is it then just there's just not enough quantity yet?

Lio

No, no, I'll say it. First of all, it's true that in small groups, which is usually how we see things, you do see that, right? We had a guest, the guest last week. She was like, yeah, you go to Nicaragua and you sit in the cafe and suddenly there's another Israeli or Jewish people. Oh, you also don't need the pig. Great, let's sit together. And there's like immediate bond between them that you somehow cannot achieve. She was Hungarian. She's like, if I meet another Hungarian, they're like, turn the other way. With Jews, somehow they gravitate toward each other. And it's true in the small groups. Once you start to amass them, the friction quickly comes to the surface. Again, the same friction will happen with any other nation. Except with Jews, it's more pronounced because it's a process of evolution. As we said earlier, Jews are just an accelerant. We're just an example of how you will be. Not you, yourself. Like everybody else, you will be there eventually. You'll get there. So we just have to show how you can do it. How egoists can do it. And just to finish that line of that, and it's not happening on a mass level. I mean, when you talk to people without an impending war, that love and care is only skin deep. When there is war, yes, you betcha. But the whole point is to do it without the war. That's the...

NIck

Right. I think you touched on it because I was going to ask you. We think of throughout history of the Jewish people, which is quite a long history. What has brought the Jewish people together the most and what has pulled them apart the most? And I don't know if Jews have ever particularly, I mean, even when you read the Torah, I don't know if they've ever particularly been, especially when you start to have more of those masses come together, have been, you know, like this. But what brings Jews together the most and what splits them apart the most? My answer, unfortunately, it's kind of depressing, is misery has sometimes brought them a lot together because although Jews, unfortunately, for whatever reason, are really not helped when they're going through persecution or obviously on an individual level they are, but I'm talking about like massive. There's something about the Jewish people when they are going through an increased sense of misery. They have to go through it together as a people because nobody really wants to help them. And it's really just like, I don't get it. Like when we have, when I was at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem and I saw the, what's it called? The Hall of the Righteous Gentiles. Don't get me wrong, it was a very beautiful thing. I think it's awesome, but there shouldn't be a Hall of Righteous Gentiles. And why I say that is because there shouldn't be so little that you can put them on a list and put them in a museum. There should have been so many people helping the Jewish people that it's just kind of like a note in history. Like, hey, a lot of Gentiles helped, right? It shouldn't be like, hey, a lot of Gentiles helped. Here's a list that we were able to. It's I don't I don't get it. And so I think through misery, because they're a lot of the times alone, again, individually, like someone like myself, I will always stand with the Jewish people, but I'm an individual. I'm talking about massive here. They have to comfort each other on October 7th. If something like October 7th happened to anyone else, whether it's on an individual level, like their family was massacred or kidnapped, or we're talking about a country level like October 7th was, the next step is to grasp what happened, grieve, etc. The Jewish people didn't get that. They didn't get that at all. They got about five minutes of it before the whole world was like, well, you know, and it's like, what do you mean? And so the Jewish people, who do they have? They have, yes, once in a while, they come across this guy, Nick Mattel's live or another Gentiles live, and it makes them feel good.

Lio

But overall, you know, right.

NIck

Absolutely. But who do they have, really? And that's each other. And so there's something that the Jewish people have that even I myself, as much as I talk about this, cannot particularly at least fully understand, although I probably understand a lot more than most people that aren't Jewish. So.

Lio

So, yeah. So this is, first of all, I'm just noticing the time. We have to like wrap, sadly. No, I mean, first of all, it's so great to talk to you. You're clear, articulate. You think well on your feet, but you don't bullshit. I like it. You know, we can talk. There's a, you know, our entire first season, I'm saying it to you and to our listeners, It exactly explains those questions and why Jews need that steady pressure from the system to come together, to realize it, to slowly get to that conclusion by ourselves. Because free choice is a big thing. It's a big part of the system. Otherwise, we're just like animals. So free choice remains. We have to choose it. And there's a process. It's a process. But I think we're at a good point in this process where we are. And more and more people, again, like I said, are talking about it. People like you are observing from the side and commenting about it. This is perfect for the advancement of humanity. I couldn't have asked for a better time to be alive. I think we're starting to realize it. So maybe we know it's gradually happening. We just need to nudge it, give it a push. And we hope people like you are going to help. We always ask our guests to read a quote from the sources. This one is from Degel Machane Efraim. If you can read it to us, that would be phenomenal. I think it kind of sums up a lot of what we talked about today. And, you know.

NIck

It's Degel Machane Efraim V'etchanan. Is that it? Good. MashaAllah. Perfect. It is written, the creator is one and Israel are one. Hence, they are adhered to the creator since it befits the one to cling to the one. And when is this? It is when Israel are bundled and attached together in complete unity. At that time, they are regarded as one and the creator is upon them for he is one. That's great. I like it.

Lio

You can save it. What? You can save it. I said you can save it.

NIck

I will. Yeah, I like that a lot.

Lio

Nick, it's been a tremendous pleasure and honor to talk to you. A unique human being, man.

Seth

We talk to a lot of people. I'm sure you hear it often, but very, very nice to talk to you and hear how you think to feel your inner direction and your role in this whole process. And from all of the things that we've read, Both of our background comes from mostly the Kabbalistic sources. That's where we get all of our insight. And like Leo said, the first 20 or so episodes, it's like a produced season there where we go through the history of the Jewish people and where we crystallize what happened here. What we arrived upon from all of those sources and all those Kabbalists, like the one you just read from, is that Israel is a quality inside of a person. and we very much feel that quality inside of you. Very, very much. Thank you. You keep referring to yourself as not a Jew. We would refer to you as a Jew.

NIck

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Seth

We're not rabbis. I can't make Aliyah with that statement.

NIck

Yeah, we can't sign any certificates.

Lio

Don't let anyone else tell you differently.

NIck

I appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

Lio

nick it can you tell us where people can find you i mean we'll put everything in the description but

NIck

just since you know just yeah it's uh i mean if you probably type in nick mattel anywhere you'll find it but i think like on tick tock it's just nick mattel as if it's one word and then if you want to watch my lives i go live every night around 8 p.m to 8 30 p.m pacific time uh and i go into like midnight and that is nick mattel live on tick tock now as for instagram or x almost the same thing nick underscore mantao that's it beautiful beautiful so everyone listening uh please um

Lio

follow nick and if you feel so generous give us a follow and a like and and comment and subscribe uh really we don't ask for for money but if you got value from this leave a comment it helps the algorithm know that we're special and uh and more people will find out about this talk just comment

NIck

i really loved nick mantao that's good just comment that also youtube as well i'm on youtube

Lio

comment down below. Excellent. Beautiful, beautiful. And we're staying connected. Of course, I'm extending this invitation to everyone who follows Nick to really, you can post questions, offer to come on the show. We talk to everyone who has a passion for this, who feels the importance of this issue. You are welcome here with us and we'll stay connected. Nick, thank you so much. We are the Jew function and we'll see you all next week, I guess. Take care. Bye.