Party like it's 1930

Lio: History repeating itself: we're not learning something. This group is by definition a group of separate people put together around an ideal. If you're not a liberal before you're 40, you don't have a heart. If you're not a Republican after 40, you don't have a brain.

Lio: We really need to change the climate here. Everybody's racist. Nobody's thinking of the little guy. We're thinking of the little guy and the transgender guy and the black guy and all the other guys. We're the ones, and everyone else is the devil, and we should get rid of them. The point is everybody's right, except we're not trying to be right together. If you think that it's all terrible, it's not all terrible. There is a ray of light here.

Seth: The Jews saw them all, beat them all, and are now what they always were. All things are mortal but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

Lio: Okay, listen, listen, enough of that stuff. This is a podcast, and we're going to try to find the solution to antisemitism. We're going to stop that right here, right now, from this stinking basement. When we get to the bottom of this, we're going to read from this mystery book, which you're not going to find out about until the end of the series. And we're going to really entertain every perspective. We're not going to say, oh, you can't say this, you can't say that. No, we're going to say everything. Because if we're not going to be able to talk about it, we're not going to be able to solve it. You know, we're going to really grab you in the kishke, and we're going to squeeze until we get something. Either a bowel movement or a freaking solution. We want to know what happened 3,500 years ago in Babylon that started this whole Meshuggah. And we want to finish it here in 2020. That's it. I'm back in America. Can you believe it? How long were you gone? 120 days almost.

Seth: So we started the podcast in a stinking basement in Brooklyn. Right. Both went to Israel. I returned. You stayed for 100 and you—

Lio: Got stuck. I got stuck. I got stuck. And now we're both back in the States, yeah.

Seth: Well, it's the same story, actually. The story's only unfolded even more, what we see going on outside. It's like we're going to be reading in this book now from things that happened in the 19th century. And again, it's like, just change the characters. It's almost the same story as we see going on in the news today.

Lio: You know, they say that history repeats itself. And I think, I have a feeling it's going to continue to repeat itself until we wake up. And someone will say, whoa, let's just stop this craziness for a second and try to rise above it. You know, the funny thing is that when I speak to people, you know, Jewish people, Jewish friends and also not friends, those are some ex-friends by now, when I talk to them about how Jews need to unite, it's written all over history, it's our greatest rule, I love that friend as yourself, that all. They all agree that it's great. When I say it could stop antisemitism, they just shake their head like, yeah, whatever. Like, yeah, we should unite, but this has not to do with antisemitism. And then they turn around and continue to be disunited as before. Like, maybe if we tried it, we'll do not National Day of Kindness.

Seth: Let's do a year of unity. Do you remember the nine dots on the paper or something you have to connect all the dots without lifting your pen?

Seth: Yeah, of course. Right. So it's like that because it seems you have to think out of the box because as long as we stay inside of the normal system, it just seems so ridiculously unrealistic.

Lio: It is unrealistic. I re-listened to an older episode which came out recently and we read about the Jews coming together to the temple three times a year.

Seth: Oh, I love that episode. Such a love fest, right? I mean, that's a beautiful vision. That's a Jewish vision I would subscribe to, right? None of the other stuff. It's the prison of self-love.

Lio: I also want to say that I don't think we're suggesting that we go back to some weird, antiquated notion of the Jews being priests in a temple, right? We're talking about the idea behind it, playing that role, playing this role of ministering to the ill relationships in humanity. That's a good job, I think. I mean, it's much less headache than the usual running around and you get to hang out with great people. And the more love you put in, the more love you feel.

Seth: It's kind of like... It's like before puberty and after puberty. It's like before you can't even comprehend. And then after it's just so natural. At this point, it seems like it's something that how could it ever possibly happen? And then when it does happen, it's, oh, it's, of course, it's like this.

Lio: And I think you see it with people all over the world in different parallel situations that we get stuck in a certain position. It happens to me when I argue with my wife, right? You get stuck, you kind of, you dig yourself a little hole. And instead of just climbing out of it, you just spend a lot of money and energy just to maintain your position in the hole. And everything you do is just to help you stay and distract you from the truth, from the little ladder that's standing there on the side of the hole that you can climb out and just start. And all of humanity is like that.

Seth: Not just, you know, in arguments between a husband and a wife. It's like we created something. It's clearly not great, and we spend so much energy trying to protect this and that and fight for this liberty or that liberty and all those silly liberties. We should say we're recording this on the day after 4th of July, 2020. People celebrate freedom, but they're not really celebrating freedom. They're celebrating these various liberties that they insist on fighting for. But the real freedom, the one that we are reading about in this book, by the way, if you're joining for the first time, reading from a mystery book, about the potential role of the Jews, the function of the Jew in society, not the religious thing, the biological, the ethnic, the whatever you want. It's that quality, right? That quality called Jew from the word Yehudi, unity, Yehudi, unity. I think that freedom, the freedom from self-love, from that prison of self-love, this is a freedom that we can all unite around, fight for, champion, follow.

Seth: Yeah, you're getting super abstract on me.

Lio: Yeah, let's rewind. We're like in the end of the 19th century somewhere. We're looking for patterns, right? We're looking for patterns in history. Because if you connect the dots, you find a pattern. Patterns repeat in nature. That's how nature works. It works in patterns. And if you can read the pattern, you can arguably try to do something else. You can try to evaluate where you are. We've seen this pattern where roughly, we're like Eastern Europe. Russia, Jews left their homes in Spain, gradually migrated east, right? They're now, a lot of them have assembled in Eastern Europe, parts of Russia.

Seth: The Russians kind of opened the doors to the Jews at this point, right?

Lio: Well, that's what the czar is trying to do. And let's read it because I think that this paragraph really sets it up.

Seth: Okay. Another benefit for the Russian authorities from opening the doors of academia to the Jews was that the new Maskelim, the Enlightenment movement, strove to become part of Russian society. They now saw their own establishment of Orthodox Jewry as their enemy instead of seeing the Russian government as their enemy. Alexander II succeeded in disintegrating the Jews precisely because he stopped fighting them and let them do what they wanted. Sounds like what happened at the temple. But ever since the ruin of the temple, whenever hatred overcame the nation and caused the Jewish people to perform a self-inflicted genocide, what most Jews want is to integrate themselves into their host culture. This was what we saw in 19th century Russia. The same process that unfolded before the ruin of the second temple, before the expulsion from Spain, before the Holocaust in Germany, and is unfolding now in America, also happened in 19th century Russia, and ended with the pogroms, which we now call the storms in the South.

Lio: History repeating itself, we're not learning something. And I find it really interesting because as long as Jews maintain some level of unity, things go more or less fine. There's pressure from the outside. The pressure doesn't go away necessarily, but there's unity, there's a strength there. As soon as the pressure from the outside eases, the doors open, boom, I'm out of here.

Seth: What's also fascinating is that every time the Jews integrate, although it's kind of a little bit corrupted, they bring that quality of the unity into the society that they integrate into. Today, for example, liberalism in America, that all genders should be included, all races should be included. But it becomes so far-leaning.

Lio: Distorted, it becomes right.

Seth: The same thing here in Russia. It's interesting because it's not just, oh, you're, you know, looking back we can say, oh no, you're bad, but if we see it as more of a process of unfolding, that integration with the host society kind of brings that Jewish quality, like plants that Jewish—

Lio: That's exactly the thing. It's an inner quality. It's not a religious thing. It's none of those things. We'll see that even here there's these two streams in Judaism, right? The Hasidim, who are called Orthodox here, but there are a lot of different sects and streams in them, right? The ones that look Orthodox, they maintain that heavy religious diaspora look, right? And the Maskelim, the enlightened, who say, oh no, we don't need any of those things. So between these two, they both maintain the same ideas, and they both think that they're working for the good of the Jews, the good of humanity.

Seth: Maybe it's premature now, but when this leftist group of Jews breaks off each time and integrates with society, whether it's the Romans or the Spanish or the Russians, what is it that they are missing? They come and say yes, everybody should be equal, it shouldn't be someone at the top who controls everyone should have what they need, but every time it goes wrong.

Lio: Because the host nation oppresses them.

Seth: Because I think what the book is saying over and over, every time I read it, is am I uniting with my brothers first, with the people around me before I'm going out? It's falling into this syndrome of trying to reform the world while, you know, your family's falling apart.

Seth: I remember reading in high school, I read this unauthorized biography of John Lennon and he was such an idol for me. Like, you know, the song "Imagine," it was like one of the first songs I figured out to play on and everything. And then I'm reading in this book, like he hit Yoko Ono and stuff like that. I was like, wait, I don't understand.

Lio: Exactly. No one is a saint. We're all egoists. We're all in this together. We're trying to figure it out. But the problem is we're trying to do it for ourselves, by ourselves, or in small little groups, always to the exclusion of others. This group is by definition a group of separate people put together around an ideal. They're not brothers, sisters, they're not from the same father, mother, they're not the same ethnicity, there's not even a Jewish DNA they're trying to find, but they can't because they're united around an ideal. The entire system strives to move in that direction and has to start with a small group and then spread, right? Expand. Like all changes in nature, they start somewhere and then they take over the entire system. I think this is the question really that I keep struggling with Can you do it? Can you bring unity to other people if you're not united among yourself?

Seth: Can you bring it with protests and guns?

Lio: Exactly. I also want to say, I find myself like we have to keep making these, adding these asterisks, these clauses in the contract. Because if you just catch a small part of an episode, you may think, oh, these guys, they're like crazy right wingers. Or, oh, they're like crazy leftists. Or they're crazy, they're Jew-hating Jews. You know, they're feeding the haters. It's just like, no, we're trying to solve it. And by looking at things, sometimes it's painful. It's like opening a bandage and looking into this wound and it's purple and stinky and pussy, but you have to do it.

Seth: An animal can tell the difference between bitter and sweet. A person can tell the difference between true and false. And the thing is, a person who wants to figure out his life realizes that sometimes the truth is bitter. It's bitter, but it's true. So, without blaming anyone, we're going to show that these two groups were equally...

Seth: The left, more enlightened, revolutionary types, and the right, more religious, holding on to the conservative.

Lio: Trying to maintain something. But both of them fell into this trap, right? There's a story here. We're not going to read all those names, there's a lot of names in this episode we're not going to read it but there's a story about one guy his name is Lillian Bloom who's an orthodox guy and he was he was trying to write build a bridge in a way and immediately he was attacked by his community he was that they appointed some council he was excommunicated and he writes to his friend.

Seth: All of my acquaintances have distanced themselves from me I cannot come to their homes nor they to mine for fear of their parents if I should come to the house of prayer I'm regarded as one of God's accursed no one greets me nor am I allowed to join in a minion of ten for prayer when I walk in the town streets I'm surrounded by a flock of boys yelling at me heretic apostate that's...

Lio: Exactly like the story a friend of ours was telling. He lives in a very liberal community, and he's more of a Republican. It's the same situation. All my liberal acquaintances have distanced themselves from me. I cannot come to their homes, nor they to mine, for fear of their parents. If I should come to the house of prayer or to the gym, I'm regarded as God's accursed. No one greets me, nor am I allowed to join a minyan or a group.

Seth: Facebook group.

Lio: A Facebook group, right. When I walk in the town street, I'm surrounded by a flock of boys yelling at me, "Trump supporter!" It's like, rip his MAGA hat off. Yeah, I mean, and then look at the other side and the lefties. Okay, so here is called the Masculine Enlightened, right? That would be today the left, the progressive ones were trying to, for their part, no better. Quote: "In the eyes of the masculine, the religious not only embodied the evil of irrationality but also inhibited progress. They did all they could to convince the authorities in Russia, Austria, and the autonomous regions of Poland that the spread of Hasidim, the religious, should be halted because it posed a political danger and even a threat of rebellion against the kingdom."

Lio: Basically, what does a man do? I think everyone is really torn inside about things. It's like I remember when I was growing up, there was a saying, "If you're not a liberal before you're 40, you don't have a heart. If you're not a Republican after 40, you don't have a brain." It's like both sides have something right, and then both sides have something totally wrong. And yet they're both kind of digging into their holes. And so the solution? Above it. Like, everybody's got to let go of something and try to meet the other.

Seth: What a terrible life if you were a kid and you just behaved exactly like your parents. And what a terrible life if you were a parent and you just behaved like a kid. The family is a perfect example of how that process works.

Lio: True. And by the way, I understand both sides, because if you were an Orthodox Hasidic Jew in Europe at that time, and you heard people saying, "We have to reform the Jews, we have to join the Russian society, Alexander's opened the gates, let's join them, let's leave behind all of that, let's tear down the statues," you'd freak out. I mean, it's your life, for better or for worse. That's where you came from. You can't just simply ignore it completely. If you're the other ones from the Maskelim, you would say, "What is this? This is like sand on the shore. It's weighing us down. You're pulling us back into the old world, all these weird businesses that you're engaged with. You're serving the capitalist elite. You're sticking to yourself as separatists. You're not mingling with the people."

Seth: When you said that these two groups have to, that they have to, I said, where's the solution between them? And you said above. What does that mean?

Lio: You know what it means? I'll tell you what it means. It's like when you fight with your wife. I'm sorry, guys, it's a ready example. I think everybody knows, everybody who's been married a while knows it. It's like, eventually, there are no winners in an argument. Either both lose, or both are willing to say, "You know what, I'm not going to win this point. I'm not going to get this point right in the argument." We're feeling creatures. You know, we're sitting here, Seth, either we're feeling that we're connected in something, or are we going to sit here and argue the fine points of something and hate each other for it? If you want to argue and you love each other, that's fine. But if you're going to start making judgments on the other and blaming the other and separating yourself from the other because of that, then I think that's where the problem starts. It's like what's happening right now in America. America is burning because every group is convinced the other group is the devil. Half the country thinks the other half is insane and needs to be sent away or worse. And by the way, speaking of history, you can see that every time, when Jews started to fight between them, it doesn't matter what the situation was. Because again, to remind our astute listeners, in Spain, the doors were not exactly open. You had to convert if you wanted to really kind of join the ranks. Here, there's no conversion. You can stay Jewish. It's as if there was no pressure whatsoever on the Jew. And yet that brought to even greater disunity among them. And this is happening at a time when seemingly the half that left is trying to create a more progressive liberal society. Read this quote by Solzhenitsyn again. We said no names, but he's a famous one you can look up. Bottom of 102: "The most powerful..." That's how he talks about how Russia conducts itself towards the...

Seth: Jews. Powerful solitary support of a progressive society. It may have become so against the backdrop of oppression and pogroms, but nevertheless, in no other country was it so complete. Our broad-minded, freedom-loving intelligentsia had put beyond the boundaries of society and humanity not only antisemitism but even one who did not support loudly and distinctly and especially the struggle for the equal rights of Jews was already considered a dishonest antisemite.

Lio: The point is that we're so stuck in our subjectivity that we think anyone who's not seeing what we're seeing, who doesn't believe what we believe, feel what we feel, is crazy and should be...

Seth: That JP Spears one where you think, you know, that guy is woke AF. He does a comedy thing. He's like a yoga guy or whatever.

Lio: Who, the redhead guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does.

Seth: Does one where, you know, "I believe my opinions are facts," and yeah, exactly, "I feel better for it."

Lio: But listen, that's the thing. We tend to agree with what we already believe to be true. That's it.

Lio: How are you relating it to what we're...

Lio: I'm just saying that, you know, this half of the Jews are right, this half of the Jews...

Seth: ...is right. Also...

Lio: In America, the liberals are saying some great things, and also the Republicans. And you can't possibly think that if you just replace one with the other, everything will be fine. No, the solution has to be with somehow uniting these worldviews. And regardless, because again, it's not a political show, I don't care about it. What I do care about is antisemitism. And he's saying it loud and clear.

Seth: When Jews turned against each other, antisemitism soon followed. At first, it manifested mostly in writing. A professor from Bartol writes that "the Jewish press in Russia had to cope with the antisemitic writings that grew more numerous and more strident in the 1870s and had to come to the defense of Jewish society that was severely attacked from time to time."

Lio: And this is... and by the way, this is if you're a liberal Jew listening to this, listen carefully, because it's not you who's doing the thinking. You're part of a social thing that is happening here. And again, not a political show. Let's...

Seth: ...read it. The Jewish Enlightenment was locked between conflicting feelings. On the one hand, they were Jews and therefore dreaded the perils of antisemitism.

Seth: Yes, on the other hand...

Seth: ...many members of the new Jewish intelligentsia agreed with the harsh criticism of the antisemites about the roles of the Jews in the Eastern European economy.

Lio: Sounds familiar, Bernie.

Seth: The solution that many of the Jewish masculine enlightenment found was to seek to change the Jew outside the boundary of the empire in agricultural colonies overseas. The idea, so instead of doing banking and whatever, let's...

Lio: ...become agrarian. Yeah, let's become farmers in some place.

Seth: The idea of reforming the Jews through agriculture coincided with the growing awareness among the Jewish Moskilim that their tribe needed its own sovereign state, as we will see later in this chapter.

Lio: Yeah, so leave Wall Street and all that and go work in some organic farm upstate and come to some demonstrations on the weekend. Because we really need to change the climate here. Everybody's racist. Nobody's thinking of the little guy. We're thinking of the little guy and the transgender guy and the black guy and all the other guys. And we're the ones. And everyone else is the devil. And we should get rid of them. So half the country is terribly wrong. We should get rid of them. And I'll see you later when I'm back from my farm upstate. Do you see a parallel? It's unbelievable. The thing that I find alarming is that this has already happened. We're reliving something that's already happened, and we're walking right into the clutches of the same part in history, the part that ends badly for...

Seth: Jews.

Lio: That's what I'm concerned about.

Seth: The teenager in the family, that's what I'm thinking about, is more like the left here. They always have the good idea. "No, no, Dad, you don't understand how life is supposed to be. No, Mom, you don't get it." But you need the cooperation with the adult to implement it correctly. So there has to be a good harmony between it, because this concept that all gays, all colors, everyone should be included. We should all get along, and there shouldn't be this corruption that we see on the far... That's, of course, it's beautiful. But how...

Lio: ...do you...

Seth: That's where it ends. It's beautiful. Now, the rest of how they think that they're going to implement it is completely corrupted. That's...

Lio: ...why I think, by the way, this is a nice little side comment about nature that, don't you find it interesting how your kids, they can form these connections, better connections with your parents. So the grandparents and the kids do well, whereas the kids and the parents have this opposition. And then when they have kids, you know, you'll be doing well. Nature has this balancing mechanism in place to make sure that if we have the family doing right, if our communities are working, if we're together, there is a mechanism in place to protect it. Otherwise, the universal pattern is going to repeat itself. And I think that's the part here, Seth, where it gets bad. I mean, it's one thing if it just stays on the level of a theory and debate around the Shabbat table, but it's not that because we see that these same guys, the same guys who...

Seth: ...left. Violent all the time.

Lio: Exactly. Because they joined, I mean, they joined the socialists, the communists, they become radical revolutionaries. One of the claims, by the way, of many antisemites, right? What's the problem with the Jews? They're revolutionaries. They revolt against, they break the old, they destroy our values. Like I spoke to E. Michael Jones, you know, he said it, Jews are revolutionaries. Ever since Christ, that's the problem. They're killing our values. The killing of the family, family, this, this, this and that. And you're sitting there thinking, "Jews are not all terrible, I know some nice Jews." But then you think, well, the guy who invented porn, he was Jewish, you know, the guys in Hollywood who are sowing all the violence and terrible weird concepts of reality, a lot of...

Seth: ...Jewish. On the other side, the repression is, you know, for example, on the right-hand side, the kind of repression and the women have no rights and it's immoral to do anything but missionary position and oral sex is...

Seth: ...legal and...

Seth: ...all those things. So again, there should be some kind of sexual liberation and you should be able to do all these things with whoever you know if between consensual people but again, the implementation of it becomes completely corrupted.

Lio: Imagine it's like we're living inside a rubber band, right? And one side is trying to stay with one end of the rubber band and the other side's trying to pull in the other direction. They have to find a middle ground, otherwise it's going to break. There are both forces that are needed to bring us to the next step. Like the next step is not plus 12, let's say it's plus six.

Seth: I think here's the answer to the above thing. So as long as we let these things play out through history, as long as we now who are in the driver's seat of humanity, meaning it's 2020, it's clear the politicians don't have a clue what's going on. And now it's in the people's hands. If we let things play out the way they've always played out, as we've read so far, up until this chapter. So you go back and forth between left, right, left, right, and it's always bloody and terrible. So to go above it means to somehow take these two sides and unite them in a new way so that you could go above that and it doesn't have to lead to a terrible violent...

Lio: I want us to just get a couple of those excerpts here because I think it's important that people hear. We were kind of, like, I feel like we're kind of soft, you know, when we read about the horse of the temple, we're like, yeah, we didn't want to get into it, it's pornographic. People read the book. But I think it's important to see where it's going because Professor Heberer, who analyzed this, talks about that the fascination of Jews with radicalism and revolutionary circles had grown. And by 1872, the process began, although it was not until the end of 1873 that their activity assumed the revolutionary coloring. So about a year, right? And that was a hundred and something years ago. So imagine how fast things are moving now. In fact, he says, at the height of their...

Seth: ...emancipation in Tsarist Russia, many Jews became so radicalized that some of them became outright terrorists.

Lio: You read about Zuckerman, for example, this guy, Zuckerman.

Seth: For example, he joined a certain terrorist organization called the People's Will in...

Seth: ...1870

Seth: ...and served as its principal printer of underground publications. This organization consistently attacked the highest levels of government in Russia and eventually, in March 1881, assassinated Tsar Alexander II himself, who had been so welcoming and opening to the Jews.

Lio: The guy who invited the Jews to come out of their shtetls and join the ranks of society...

Seth: ...as Jews. So the Jews become comfortable and then they join into the society and then they start to see all of you. Start to feel...

Lio: ...yeah, the plight of the little guy and the inequality that exists...

Seth: ...in society. They see the inequality...

Lio: ...and... And they join, they start a revolution. And at the end, they kill the guy who brought them out. Yeah, there's another list. There's a few other names here. Mark Andrejevich Natanzan, all these guys.

Lio: University students.

Lio: Yeah, this continues in the universities, exactly, which we see here in America as well.

Seth: By the way. So the group that committed the assassinations of the Tsar, that's what ignited the storms of the South, inflicting horrendous suffering on all of the Jews in the southern parts of Russia and parts of Poland. And this engendered the Zionist movement.

Lio: This episode was supposed to be about the beginning of Zionism. And I think we're kind of close to the end here. But before we close the episode, I want us to read...

Seth: Your favorite, Anthony.

Lio: I want to jump a couple of pages. I want to say a couple of things. I think that the inner desires of everyone involved are all right. Everybody's right. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, we're going to do terrible things. I'm sure Antifa people are not waking up in the morning saying, we're going to do some terrible things or be a bad person. And even Trump, whom everybody loves to hate, I'm sure he doesn't wake up in the morning saying, I'm going to be a bad person. He's doing what he thinks is right. I think that's what every person in the world does, unless you're mentally not there. Some people will say the president is like that. But that's beside the point. The point is everybody's right, except we're not trying to be right together. That's a problem. There's this guy I want you to read about, Aaron Samuel Lieberman, leader of the revolutionary Vilna Circle. Listen to his vision. What did he wish? He wished...

Seth: Nothing more than that under the pressure of a popular socialist workers' revolution, all national divisions should disappear. Imagine there's no... They should disappear together with the capitalist monopoly and all of its expression in the life of humanity. Indeed, like all his fellow socialist Jews, he rejoiced in the prospect that the Jews, because of their cosmopolitan character and their ever-increasing assimilationist tendency, would pioneer the integration of all mankind into a worldwide nationless workers' republic. Until then, especially in Russia, it was necessary to speed up this process, and propaganda must begin by uprooting national pride and exclusiveness.

Lio: Again, sounds so contemporary. Nothing wrong with the vision. How do we get there?

Seth: Kill half of the people, is what they're saying.

Lio: It's exactly the thing. I think that's what freaks people out. I think that's what brought on the Cold War. That's what freaked people out here. When you think of the idea of communism, it's amazing. Be together, take care of each other's needs. It's amazing.

Lio: But how do you go from... I can't tell if you're far right wing or far left wing. It's good. The plan has worked. But as the title in the book says, a Jew is a Jew is a Jew. It doesn't matter what side you're on, when the trouble starts, everyone just turns against you. Whether you're the enlightened one, the Hasidic one, everybody. I think that's the thing that scares me right now and what's happening here, man, in this country right now. Everybody thinks they're marching on the right side of the political divide, waving the flag of whatever you want. It doesn't matter. When everything plunges into chaos, eventually the Jews are the ones who get shipped off. No one else, not the Irish, not the blacks, not this, not that, the Jews. Here, the book is saying it again. And I hate to say it, but I'm starting to see that maybe the book is right. And I think we just kind of glossed over it. If you read through history, everybody knows that when you Google the storms in the south, it's like, oh, the sudden onset of pogroms on unsuspecting Jews. Suddenly they hated the Jews. Right. We were just minding our own business, you know, and suddenly everybody wants to kill us. What about the disunity? What about the bickering? What about the ostracizing one another and spreading terrible rumors about one another, one half against the other? What about joining the revolutionaries and killing the Czar that brought you out of the ghettos in the first place? Where did that go? We don't like to look out of the box.

Lio: That's a problem. We have come to one of your favorites, the patron saint of the program, Vasily Shulgin, the renowned anti-Semite. Yeah. So before you read that, let's just say thank you for listening to The Jew Function, the only podcast that's trying to find the root of antisemitism.

Seth: We're doing it. We're finding the root of antisemitism according to the law of nature, and we're going to solve it. Because by hearing about it, you're already starting to be part of the solution. I really feel it. And follow us on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, at The Jew Function. It's all free. You don't need your money, you just need your heart. So we'll close with this quote. If you think that it's all terrible, it's not all terrible. There is a ray of light here.

Seth: This is by Vasily Shulgin, an avowed anti-Semite. He said,

Lio: In order

Seth: to surrender to the Jews as leaders, in order to calmly and joyfully look at Jewry, capturing the commanding heights of the psyche, something more is needed. One must feel their moral superiority over oneself. One must feel that they are not only stronger but also better than us. We must feel that they are imbued with wisdom, which always leads to love. In one aspect or another, they must be above us, not individual Jews, but Jews as a general group, in general as a nation, Jews as a race.

Lio: Let's read it again, if you don't mind.

Seth: A little more deliberate. I want to sound...

Lio: No, but this is a good one.

Seth: In order to surrender to the Jews as leaders, in order to calmly and joyfully look at Jewry capturing the commanding heights of the psyche, something more is needed. One must feel their moral superiority over oneself. We must feel that they are not only stronger but also better than us. We must feel that they are imbued with wisdom, which always leads to love. In one aspect or another, they must be above us. Not individual Jews, but Jews in general, as a nation, Jews as a race.

Seth: Wisdom that always leads to love. I like that vision. Thank you.